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JesterDon IVVVI Secretly Sinister


Posts: 4008 Age: 19 Fuji Bucks™: 5397 Reputation: 189 
 | Subject: Death Penalty Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:03 pm | |
| For or against it? Note, I am only talking about the death penalty as punishment for murder. Any other reason for death penalty (apparently legal in Texas) I, like most, strongly oppose. Anyways, here is a quick pro-con list:
Cons: -Many people who are sentenced to jail are often found later to be innocent, and then released. The death penalty could lead to innocent people being killed. -Hypocritical (showing society why you shouldn't kill people by killing people) -A lifetime sentence in jail is a punishment more severe than being killed immediately. -People can learn from their mistakes and become better, useful, productive people who can even contribute to society if they are allowed to do labor. -Apparently it costs more to execute someone than it does to jail them for life. I'm not sure why exactly this is but every site i've looked on says that
Pros: -Enforcing a penalty of death might convince people not to commit murder -If someone is a repeated offender, the death penalty guarantees they will never commit a crime ever again.
I'll add to these if I think of any more.
Discuss.
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Chainy Untamed Beast


Posts: 9152 Fuji Bucks™: 5345 Reputation: 286 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:13 pm | |
| "People can learn from their mistakes and become better, useful, productive people who can even contribute to society if they are allowed to do labor." Even though I'm completely against the death penalty, this is a weak statement, based on the fact that most criminals (I believe 75%, but I am not sure) will fall back into their old way of living once returning to the streets.
"If someone is a repeated offender, the death penalty guarantees they will never commit a crime ever again." Repeated offenders will be life sentenced, which you stated in the following quote: "A lifetime sentence in jail is a punishment more severe than being killed immediately." Is worse than Death Penalty, which I agree with, most people rather die than living, let's say, 50 years in prison.
But your other statements are good, and I agree with all of them. But money shouldn't be a reason to allow the death penalty. |
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JesterDon IVVVI Secretly Sinister


Posts: 4008 Age: 19 Fuji Bucks™: 5397 Reputation: 189 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:48 pm | |
| Niels, I am just listing pros and cons that some people have, these all do not necessarily reflect my own beliefs.
Also, I did some research and im wrong. It actually costs the state MORE to execute someone than it does to house them in prison for life. Just shows how important it is to do research before doing a debate! il get on that soon |
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Tristan Charming Salamander


Staff Message: i'm tristan Posts: 14655 Age: 16 Fuji Bucks™: 18554 Reputation: 339 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:09 pm | |
| Completely depends on the scenario if you're talking about someone's life |
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Chainy Untamed Beast


Posts: 9152 Fuji Bucks™: 5345 Reputation: 286 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:58 pm | |
| | JesterDon IVVVI wrote: | Niels, I am just listing pros and cons that some people have, these all do not necessarily reflect my own beliefs.
Also, I did some research and im wrong. It actually costs the state MORE to execute someone than it does to house them in prison for life. Just shows how important it is to do research before doing a debate! il get on that soon |
I know, I tried to find arguments against the statements you listed. I might have phrased myself wrong, because it's a bit late :p. |
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JriderT Secretly Sinister


Posts: 3842 Age: 15 Fuji Bucks™: 5533 Reputation: 63 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:51 pm | |
| | JesterDon IVVVI wrote: | Many people who are sentenced to jail are often found later to be innocent, and then released. The death penalty could lead to innocent people being killed.
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CAPS LOCK Power Shake


Posts: 1527 Age: 16 Fuji Bucks™: 1705 Reputation: 62 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:43 pm | |
| Death Penalty = Stupid and unacceptable, period. |
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Yes Im Am Co-Administrator


Posts: 14765 Age: 16 Fuji Bucks™: 18716 Reputation: 364 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:18 pm | |
| Considering the United States is one of the few countries in the world that still uses the death penalty... |
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Einsteinean Untamed Beast


Staff Message: Edit this. I dare you. Posts: 2243 Age: 89 Fuji Bucks™: 6913 Reputation: 45 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:26 pm | |
| I"m in full support of it for murderers and repeat offenders. For all the pros above. And where did you find the info that the injection costs more than life in prison?  950 posts to go. |
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Tristan Charming Salamander


Staff Message: i'm tristan Posts: 14655 Age: 16 Fuji Bucks™: 18554 Reputation: 339 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:25 pm | |
| | JriderT wrote: | | JesterDon IVVVI wrote: | Many people who are sentenced to jail are often found later to be innocent, and then released. The death penalty could lead to innocent people being killed.
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omg I love you I thought I was the only person that watched that |
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JriderT Secretly Sinister


Posts: 3842 Age: 15 Fuji Bucks™: 5533 Reputation: 63 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:01 am | |
| | Tristan wrote: | | JriderT wrote: | | JesterDon IVVVI wrote: | Many people who are sentenced to jail are often found later to be innocent, and then released. The death penalty could lead to innocent people being killed.
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omg I love you I thought I was the only person that watched that |
Lol so did I, such a great show. |
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Chainy Untamed Beast


Posts: 9152 Fuji Bucks™: 5345 Reputation: 286 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:22 am | |
| | Einsteinean wrote: | | I"m in full support of it for murderers and repeat offenders. For all the pros above. And where did you find the info that the injection costs more than life in prison? |
Why do you support it? |
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faz Rising Blaze


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Fuji Planet's Grandpa Posts: 1460 Age: 17 Fuji Bucks™: 1420 Reputation: 134 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:27 am | |
| I dont support the death penalty, it might be true that 75 percent will get back in crime, but atleast the other 25% will have a chance, its better than nothing
and once you get older im guessing things will clear up |
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Einsteinean Untamed Beast


Staff Message: Edit this. I dare you. Posts: 2243 Age: 89 Fuji Bucks™: 6913 Reputation: 45 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:25 pm | |
| | Niels wrote: | | Einsteinean wrote: | | I"m in full support of it for murderers and repeat offenders. For all the pros above. And where did you find the info that the injection costs more than life in prison? |
Why do you support it? |
Because I'm a 90% conservative republican redneck. That and I support death by firing squad. Costs less than the damn drugs. One gun, one pack of .22 caliber bullets, one relatively good shot per person and you'd have Texas' death row cleared in no time. 950 posts to go. |
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faz Rising Blaze


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I am FaZango
Fuji Planet's Grandpa Posts: 1460 Age: 17 Fuji Bucks™: 1420 Reputation: 134 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:43 pm | |
| thats just wrong brah
thats murder, jeffrey dahmer |
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JesterDon IVVVI Secretly Sinister


Posts: 4008 Age: 19 Fuji Bucks™: 5397 Reputation: 189 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:24 pm | |
| several websites, ein. google it |
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Chainy Untamed Beast


Posts: 9152 Fuji Bucks™: 5345 Reputation: 286 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:14 pm | |
| | Einsteinean wrote: | | Niels wrote: | | Einsteinean wrote: | | I"m in full support of it for murderers and repeat offenders. For all the pros above. And where did you find the info that the injection costs more than life in prison? |
Why do you support it? |
Because I'm a 90% conservative republican redneck. That and I support death by firing squad. Costs less than the damn drugs. One gun, one pack of .22 caliber bullets, one relatively good shot per person and you'd have Texas' death row cleared in no time. |
Don't you think killing people for killing people is a bit hyprocrit? |
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Einsteinean Untamed Beast


Staff Message: Edit this. I dare you. Posts: 2243 Age: 89 Fuji Bucks™: 6913 Reputation: 45 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:09 am | |
| Maybe a little.  950 posts to go. |
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Invisifly2 Marine Glory


Posts: 2794 Fuji Bucks™: 2952 Reputation: 42 
 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:27 pm | |
| In my opinion if somebody is a repeat murderer and has proven himself to be absolute scum, string the bastard up.
Otherwise I think that life sentence is more fitting than a death penalty.
O and the reason why It is more expensive to kill somebody than perminat incarceration is due to the massive amount of appeals that usually result from a dealth penalty conviction. Obviously most people are not very fond of dying, and will do all they can to stall or overturn the excecution. I'm not sure but I believe there is no limit to the amount of times you can file an appeal if sentenced to death, but there is a cap as to how many you can for a life sentence. |
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Victoria Marine Glory


Staff Message: they really shouldn't make these edit-able.
You're right. Except you can edit it only because you're in the GFX designers group.
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 | Subject: Re: Death Penalty Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:33 pm | |
| I haven't thought about if I am for or against it fully, but I do think that without it if a criminal that already has life in jail does happen to escape prison, he has absolutely no reason not to commit any other crimes because he already has the maximum prosecution against him. At least with the death penalty he might be afraid of that happening and either not commit crimes once he is out or not be alive to get out in the first place. |
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